Bastards vs. True Heirs

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 posted by William Thompson

On March 23, 2018, God began stirring within me the following verses.

“For whom the LORD loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth.”

“If you endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chastenth not?”

“But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.”  (Heb. 12:6-8 )

The heart of the Father is grieved over the state of the “church.”  Just as Paul said,

“And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.” (1 Cor. 3:1)

Not only are they refusing to grow up and cast their baby bottles aside, but will not stand to be corrected by a loving Father.  As they demand sugar-coated messages to make them feel better, any mention of sin or the judgments of God is soundly rejected as being “too harsh, judgmental, or not how God deals with His people.”  Brethren, we need to understand the seriousness of not receiving correction from God.

Those willing to receive the stern words and judgments from God will be  “the true heirs.”  And the ones who refuse His correction and chastisement are as bastard children, illegitimate – fatherless – therefore they cannot be the true heirs!

The Greek word for “bastard” is – nothos, which means illegitimate, bastard; one born, not in lawful wedlock, but of a concubine or female slave.  This points us to the allegory in Galatians 4:22-31, which speaks of the two covenants.  One was the covenant of the flesh by a slave or bondwoman, Hagar, and the other was the covenant of promise, that of the spirit, which is Sarah.

The remainder of Hebrews 12 tells us the same thing.  In verse 24, it says Jesus Christ is the mediator of the new covenant!  This is that covenant of promise….of Sarah!  And this points us to better things!  Not things of this world which leads us to death, but unto life!  (Heb. 12:9)  The Father desires for us to seek Him, and to hear Him call out to us, to correct us so  we might be considered true heirs and not a child of the flesh….or a bastard.

When we resist the chastisement of the Father, to correct us in our rebellion, we resist His desire to bring us into His own family, making us true heirs with Christ Jesus.  And this rebellion is from the carnal flesh, which always resists the things of the Spirit of God.

This choice to walk according to the carnal flesh is enmity against God.  In Romans 8:6-8, we are told that being carnally minded is death.  In verse 7, it says that being carnally minded is enmity, or hostility, hatred towards God!  It was this very thing which our Lord Jesus Christ abolished on the cross!  He removed that hatred against the Father so that we might have the opportunity to choose to walk in the spirit!

Because of this completed work in Christ Jesus, He was the true “first fruits,” whereby He received the fruit of the tree of life, eternal life, from the Father.  He is gloriously seated at the right hand of the Father God eternally obedient to the will of the Father, having abolished the enmity of the carnal flesh, the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

This is why we must become like Him to be joined with Him!  He cannot be joined with a Bride who is walking according to the carnal nature!  If He were to do so, He would be unevenly yoked with Her!  We MUST yield to the chastisement of the Father and allow Him to do a work in us, to teach us to walk according to the “new covenant of promise, Sarah” in order to learn how to abolish the very enmity we display with our choices and actions!

I pray we each take this before the Lord, asking He examine our hearts, and reveal anything in us which displeases Him.  May we gladly receive correction and the instructions of our Father, to be counted as true heirs with our Lord, Jesus!

42 Responses to “Bastards vs. True Heirs”

  1. Sharon Webster Says:

    The Lord revealed to me more concerning the true church “His Bride” being as WHEAT and the false church being as BARLEY. The Old Testament came to Gods chosen people and they were as BARLEY A very strong noble sect, if you will of BELIEVERS These PEOPLE were as HEARTY as they come. They were placed all over the world. Preaching and prophesying of God’s love and grace. This pleased God for a time but God saw the wickedness of man and sent his son Jesus. He ( Jesus ) makes all the difference. We have a cloak for our sins because Jesus came and took our sins upon himself to deliver us forever. We are now as WHEAT. We don’t live under the law any more. We now live under GRACE . To deny Jesus is to deny EVERLASTING GOD. The time of barley is over. Christ lives in the hearts and minds of his people.The Lord also reminded me this morning “ANYONE WHO CLIMBS UP ANY OTHER WAY IS AS A THIEF AND A ROBBER. ” This also ties into BASTARDS AND NOT SONS.

  2. William Thompson Says:

    Absolutely! Jesus did ALL for us. And He did not just provide a “ticket” into heaven! There is so much MORE that the Father has set before us! But we have to be willing to surrender to His will and receive any chastisement or correction from Him! If not, then we are rebellious and unruly….and illegitimate children….bastards, as spoken of in the KJV!

  3. Diana Pulliam Says:

    What came to me this morning is the question asked in Amos 3:3, “Can two walk together except they be agreed?” I’ve heard so many people in “church” actually state during casual conversations how they disagreed with certain parts of scripture because, “Jesus already paid for all my sins, and our God is a forgiving and merciful God.” The statement is true, Jesus paid for all our sins – if we repent and ask forgiveness. But Jesus Himself said, “Go and sin no more, least a worse thing come upon you” (John 5:14). And in Romans 6:1, Paul said, “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid.

    People who refuse to receive instructions from Jesus, His apostles, and the Holy Spirit regarding sin absolutely are NOT in agreement with Him, and as scripture shows cannot walk together with Him. If we will not receive instruction and correction, we are illegitimate – and not true heirs! We need to take heed and examine ourselves, and ask the Lord to examine us and reveal anything that is not in agreement with Him!

  4. William Thompson Says:

    Wonderfully stated! Yes, we do need to come before God and examine our own selves lest He begins to do that! If we truly desire to one of His, then we must allow our Loving Father to correct us as He sees fit…NOT what is comfortable to our flesh! We have been so misled by the “pulpit” and not raised up properly. This is why there are so many childish and carnal believers!

  5. Rachel Adamus Says:

    I was raised and am part of a church that denies any continuation of miraculous gifts, including prophecy. Spiritual experiences in my youth paved the way for me to search out these things over time, such that now, I have been questioning the teachings of my church on this matter (I am now 35). I am being told by some that I am in rebellion against the leadership in my church, and that submission to God means submission to my leadership. Though I have submitted to their command of me not to post anything of prophecy on Facebook, I have not had a clear conscience to completely forsake the kind of Holy-Spirit leading that involves prophecy and moment-by-moment interaction with the Holy Spirit, for I think the Lord has called me to it in a certain way. I sense that I am at a crossroad, and that whatever I choose will either be rebellion against Christ or following His will. I know the Lord has not given me a Spirit of confusion. If you or anyone has a thought on this, I would very much appreciate your words.

  6. William Thompson Says:

    The best way that I know how to instruct you is that you go, first, by the very Word of God! It does not matter what pastor, prophet or whomever is leading a group of people….if they are NOT walking in obedience to the Word of God, then they are leading the “sheep” astray and will be held accountable! In Acts 5:29 it says that it is better to obey GOD than MAN! It cannot be stated any more plainer than that! If a pastor is not in agreement with the Word or if they are misusing the Word of God, it is our responsibility to “work out our own salvation.” We have been “taught” so many misleading things…such as what you have written, as well as….”we have to walk in love,” “without love we are a noisy cymbal.” While these are true, love also includes correction, instruction and guidance to lead us to a more mature walk. We see this played out in our society today! Children are not receiving the proper correction and are rebellious, disrespectful and unruly. We are no different with our heavenly Father. We practically demand that He sugar-coat every word so that it is pleasing to our senses and our ears….well….because God is a God of love….

  7. Diana Pulliam Says:

    This topic is close to my heart, because I too was in a very legalistic church for the first part of my Christian walk. They wanted to control everything and the Holy Spirit wasn’t allowed to operate within the “Church.” As 2 Timothy 3:5 states, they had a “form” of godliness, but denied the power thereof. Rachel the Word says we’re to turn away from such.

    As you seek closer intimacy with God, the Holy Spirit will begin to manifest in various ways, whether it’s through dreams, visions, receiving words, or by various other miraculous happenings. As this began to happen to me, I realized I had no one to talk to about such things, because moves of the Holy Spirit were looked upon with suspicion – as if from the devil in the church i attended. Just a few scriptures:
    Acts 4:29-30, “And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants (notice it’s not exclusive to the apostles), that with all boldness they may speak they word, by stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.”

    Mark 16:17-20, “And these signs shall follow them that believe (notice it’s not exclusive to apostles), in My name shall they cast out devils; …speak with new tongues;…lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.”

    Hebrews 2:4, “God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders…”

    Acts 2:17-19, “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: AND ON MY SERVANTS AND ON MY HANDMAIDENS I WILL POUR OUT IN THOSE DAYS OF MY SPIRIT; AND THEY SHALL PROPHESY…”

    Mark 16:20, “…and they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the Word with signs following.”

    Jesus said “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN ME will do the works I’ve been doing. He will do EVEN GREATER THINGS than these…” John 14:12. I could go on and on quoting scripture, but it’s clear that it’s whosoever is a True Heir – those followers of Jesus that will be about their Father’s business. The Lord always confirms the Word by signs following. Remember, they accused Jesus of doing the miracles he did by the power of the devil, as well as His followers. Most of the so-called “witch” hunts during the middle ages were to track down true Christians operating in the gifts of the Spirit. That same Pharisaical spirit is still alive and well in most dead “churches” today. Continue pressing in to God, seek Him with your whole heart. Present all your concerns and questions before Him, and He will lead you. Remember, Jesus said the Holy Spirit would remind us of His Word, lead us into ALL truth, and show us things to come. Oops! If He shows us things to come, might that come under the heading of the prophetic?

    Rachel, we are praying for you. Many, if not most of us, have come from exactly the place your are right now. Please let us know how you’re doing, and feel free to present any other comments or concerns you’d like to present before the group. Blessings to you!

  8. Perfect sense Says:

    This is an extremely timely message as having been going through some massive chastisement from the Lord myself & choosing to submit to it God has been teaching me some quite earth shattering truths. Especially at night whilst sleeping, jolting me awake.
    After much soul agonising & seeking God re of some of the people that God has raised up to be his tools in this chastisement He woke me the other night with this revelation….
    What the world calls “ psychopaths” God calls REPROBATES!. Romans 1. & they have sinned so much so continually that they are irredeemable because they have utterly rejected God.
    I know that this is not mentioned in church anymore. I know that it’s very harsh, but upon study the NT KJV makes this ubundantly clear. Heb 4-8. I believe that God showed me that the dividing is happening now. Just as people turn completely over to God so there are a people & whole institutions including churches are giving themselves wholly over to Satan. They are irredeemable.
    They have chosen this & God has given them up.
    They will be the greatest foe in sharing & getting others saved.
    Just as Christ is gathering his bride, Satan is gathering his.
    God is delivering a breakers anointing To help break up hard ground. The hard ground of people’s hearts & circumstances. I can’t emphasise this enough as it was so emphasised to me.
    The sword of the Spirit that IS the Word of God is breaking up the hard ground of deception in people’s hearts so that he can plant good seed for the harvest. Those who reject his breaker anointing, the sword of the Spirit, Gods chastisement but prefer their sugar coated deceptions which harden the heart & make their sin acceptable in their own minds will eventually fall into the reprobate category… by their own choice.
    God will have to turn them over as they have shown themselves to not be sons because they would not accept chastisement. They are barstards & illigitimate, reprobate fit only for the fire.
    There’s still more I’m praying into this as its gone completely against what I have believed all my life but I’m not going to argue with God. I do want more enlightenment from him about this though. It certainly made me sit up & pay attention…. something that the church really should do to.

  9. William Thompson Says:

    Perfect Sense,
    Absolutely, the division has already begun! And the “church” has practically refused to speak of anything “harsh,” so as not to offend the listeners. God is allowing us to choose as He has given to us a free will. He will not force His will upon us. But it has been put very simply in the Word of God and yet, we do not have ears to hear nor eyes to see!! And, yes! They are going to be the greatest foe!!! They will be the ones under delusion, thinking that they are doing God a service by attacking the very ones who desire to seek God! And, yes! God has released that breaker anointing!! This is why you will begin to see more evidence of God’s hand separating the wheat from the tares and placing an even finer dividing line even within the camp of the church!

  10. Diana Pulliam Says:

    Perfect sense,
    Yes, this is the case with the “reprobates,” those who have utterly rejected God. I pray that breaker anointing totally breaks up the stony ground of many hearts, to drop them to their knees in repentance. May we all use the time left to draw ever closer to Him.
    Blessings to you!

  11. Perfect sense Says:

    1 Peter 4:17 King James Version (KJV)

    17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    …….Reprobates? It’s time for the Fear if the Lord to fall upon the church!

  12. Perfect sense Says:

    Or be thrown in the fire.

  13. Jo Ann Says:

    Rachel, it sounds as though you’re being told to just trust the leadership. I’ve been in that situation and in my case the leadership was way off base. I’ve also been in a church that believed as yours does. The Lord has brought me a long way since then and my suggestion to you is that you seek the Lord about whether or not you’re in the church that he wants you in. You’re right in submitting to them if you’re going to go to that church but it’s best to be careful of letting them negate where the Lord is leading you. Only the Lord knows what he’s called you to do and only he can show you. If he is leading you in a direction that your church leadership finds to be against their beliefs you may have to find another church. This I do know, if you seek him with all your heart he will show you the way. My personal opinion is that you’re on the right track because I’ve been there, too.

  14. William Thompson Says:

    Jo Ann,
    Amen! And thank you for your words of wisdom and guidance for Rachel! God has placed leadership before us, but if it is contrary to the leading of the Holy Spirit….we must obey God first!

  15. Perfect sense Says:

    Remember the “ breaker anointing” is meant to BREAK! So that God can make us wholly into his image!
    Breaking hurts!
    The Sword of the Spirit is MEANT TO
    Who’s on God’s side & who is not?

  16. William Thompson Says:

    Perfect Sense,
    AMEN!! Choose!! Choose you this day whom you will serve!

  17. Sharon Webster Says:

    I just love coming here and being a part of this ministry. I am so thankful for a place of such VALUE. The Good Lord has brought us here for a reason. I lift all of you up in prayer. I pray for us ALL to be strengthened and FORTIFIED with THE WORD OF THE GOSPEL. The world wants to tare us down and act like OUR GOD will allow anything and everything in the name of LOVE but if they could only UNDERSTAND that it is because of PERFECT LOVE that we ARE THE WAY WE ARE. Being nurtured by our beloved father and chastised when we need it as well. The END TIMES ARE HERE and GOD IS BRINGING HIS OWN OUT IN THE OPEN SO THAT HE WILL BE KNOWN AND SHINING BRIGHTLY IN HIS BRIDE. it is then their choice as it was also ours whether to follow OUR GOD or false ones. LOVE BLESSING and HOPE BE TO US ALL BELOVED !!! ❤❤❤

  18. Diana Pulliam Says:

    Thank you so much for your continued prayer, dear sister! I thank the Lord for His nurturing and His correction. May we be ever sensitive to the Holy Spirit it this!

  19. Sharon Webster Says:

    Romans 8 KJV

  20. Frank Dollbaum Says:

    Brother William,
    Amazing word and confirmation brother! I basically had this same discussion last night at Bible study among other conversations I had yesterday! Praise God!
    Colossians 3 elaborates on this as well.

    Rachel Adamus,
    Dear SIster, I have been in the same spot as you. I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in a church that does not believe that the gifts are for today. The pastor after the service looked at me in bewilderment because I was crying so profusely and praising God! It was awesome! But besides that, I did not leave in an unruly or unloving way. I did not try and correct them or point out their error. I met privately with the pastor and we had a friendly discussion and I was informed I could stay but not to share those things becaue they don’t believe in it and I just said God bless you and that was that. I have left a few churhces since the LORD woke me up 4 years ago, but I still pray for them. I wonder sometimes if cessation theology is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and I even asked the above mentioned pastor that and honestly I don’t know if it is or not. All i can say is that I have continually sought the LORD and HE has brought me to a church where HE is doing amazing things and HE has blessed me beyond my wildest dreams with brothers and sisters in Chirst and the joy of serving HIM and wlaking with HIM. Matthew 6:33, seek HIM first and HE will add everything else. Our treasure is not here on earth and it is not in “stuff”, but it is in HIM, in that loving relationship. Don’t let any man take that from you. Pray about it and see what you are to do. I am not sorry for the chuches I have left. I am not sorry for any of the things that were traumatic in my life that have happened becaue as I have grown closer to the LORD and fallen madly in love with HIM. HE has given me quite an education and I can look back now and say WOW LORD, you did all that for me?! You went to the Cross for me?! You are refining me so I can be with you forever?! The harder concept is to look at others and see them in their defiance and disobedience of God and His Word and have compassion knowing that we used to be like that and that Jesus paid for them too. HE loves them too and if we just keep praying and keep seeking the LORD, hopefully they will awaken as we have. Like Psalm 127: says Unless the LORD builds a house, the work of the builders is wasted… Its not the church organization, it’s the people GOD cares for. He’s after our hearts and no matter what church organization you go to, if they don’t have a heart for God and His people, if they don’t LOVE the LORD their GOD with ALL of their heart, mind, soul and strength, then they have completely missed everything Jesus Christ and the relationship with Him is about. Don’t be afraid to leave somewhere because of their error and don’t let them twist scripture to guilt you into something either. But at the same time, don’t give up praying for them either. Even as “bastards”, they could still eventually be sons and daughters of adoption in the future. Only God knows and we have to pray and hope that the LORD awakens them just as HE was gracious and merciful enough to awaken us. GLORY to GOD!

  21. Diana Pulliam Says:

    Excellent testimony of what you went through, and we definitely need to keep these pastors and churches that have shut the door of the operations of the Holy Spirit in our prayers. I pray for the veil to be removed from their eyes, and that they humbly come before Him in repentance and seek Him with their whole heart. I just saw in the Spirit, that the Holy Spirit is going to manifest to many of them in undeniable ways to drop them to their knees!

  22. William Thompson Says:

    Yes and amen, my love! I am in agreement with you! I do pray for those who are deceived and refuse to yield to the wooing of the Holy Spirit. It is a very grievious thing to the very heart of our Beloved, Jesus Christ! My heart is for those who say that they are believers to truly repent so that they are not turned away from Jesus!

  23. William Thompson Says:

    Please, forgive the delay in my response to you. I have been in prayer these past days over the things which God is showing to us! Praise God that He is revealing truths to His people! He desires that we are prepared and to be focused on His will and not the things of this world! The heart of Jesus is very grieved over the condition of those who claim to be believers and followers of Jesus Christ. But Jesus told us that we will know a tree by its fruits…..are we working together to become that waiting Bride of Christ or are we tearing one another down? Are we back biting, being destructive while thinking that we are doing God some favor? This only causes us to attempt to dethrone God and “take over because He is not doing the job correctly!” THIS is how we will know those who are the bastards and those who are the true heirs!!

  24. Frank Dollbaum Says:

    That’s awesome! Praise God! What a blessed day that will be when the Body of Christ is unified! Hallelujah!

  25. Perfect sense Says:

    Yes William,
    Just looking into this “ reprobate” word I received & it’s application to the subject of being a son or a basrard in relation to the “ church” or church goers as I like to call them,
    2 Timothy 3 King James Version (KJV)
    Seems to address this very subject with some sage advise fromvst Paul….

    3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
    2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
    3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
    5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    I submit that these characteristics are those of a psychopath? similar to Romans1 where paul calls them Reprobate. But Romans1 is talking about the state of the worlds spiritual decline & devolvement to reprobateness.
    2Timothy he seems to be talking about those within the church in the last days.
    As he says they have “ a form of Godliness but deny the power” only religious people would bother to have a form of Godliness. He then Tells Timothy to “turn away from them”
    That’s not what your hearing in the church! Everything is acceptable! Any sin, any wrong & if you reject it then you are “ not acting in love” if you “ turn away from such” you are not acting in love & are judgemental.
    He goes on to show their tactics…

    6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
    7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    He then compares them to the two high court magicians of pharaohs that mimicked through Satan’s power the signs that Moses used by Gods to harden pharaohs heart….

    8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

    I’m gathering the impression through my study on this that Satan’s bride ( the reprobate unrepentant church) will be endowed with satanic power to deceive & harden the hearts of people who are looking for Gods true power as Christs bride is revealed & does “ the greater works”
    What a Grand Delusion!
    I would like to add to this that as God the father is purifying us in the fire of all evil so that we can be holly filled with & joined to his son Jesus then Satan is in the process of purifying his bride of anything holy or good that may be left so they can be filled totally with evil & joined to his son the antichist.
    If God bride is a pre virgin then Satan’s is an evil whore! Sold her virtue for money! Power! Lifestyle!
    It’s my conclusion that God even uses irredeemable reprobates for his purpose. & that purpose is only to test & try his beautiful bride. They ARE used as fire to burn away our dross so that we can be pure gold refined & acceptable to the Lord.

  26. William Thompson Says:

    Perfect Sense,
    You are so very correct! Yes, those are truly of a deranged mind, psycopaths, lovers of self (narcissist) and much more! And these are of the children of Hagar, who is the false bride, the whore of Babylon! They are NOT the true heirs as they are not submitted to the will of the Father God, as our Lord Jesus had shown us to do in the garden! And, yes! It will be these that will come against the true heirs with such a hatred as they will attempt (in love…) to depose the true Bride of Christ so that they will not lose that coveted position of bride. They will pervert and twist the very word of God against the true heirs, but will be following their carnal nature! They are truly as their father, satan, in their actions and their fruits!

  27. Bobbie Says:

    Everyone: Excellent; everyone’s comments especially with all the WORD going forth!
    Perfect sense: you’re so right about psychopath being a reprobate; before this I had Googled: difference between a psychopath and sociopath which very SAD to say was my former EVIL pastor (training long)! We know this but the knowledge, understanding, discernment and wisdom is it’s God=Good; satan=EVIL; NO, NO, NO middle ground, NEVER has been and NEVER will be so we are seeing those who are for God their Father or satan their father the devil! Think of Ezekiel 9:6. Also, in NOT receiving correction the false church is NOT guarding, guiding and protecting the Prophetic and or Apostolic nor do they want it!

    Rachel: I knew what was going on in our church was wrong and didn’t line up with the Bible (it was like being the frog in the boiling water; like in a stupor)! Derek Prince did a teaching by the Word=Bible and broke it down the legalism was sitting under which was horrific (plus all the Bible Verses the wolf, hireling, false shepherds were using to keep us in bondage “like touch not my anointed”=we are all anointed scripture says that (last shall be first, first shall be last; no one greater; or pastor’s are not to be corrected only accountable to God/god=not scriptural; which God/god? Here’s an example: “Why Revival Tarries/America is Too Young to Die by Prophet Leonard Ravenhill was NOT modeled in my so-called church WHATSOEVER; meaning NO Prophets therefore NO Holiness, Righteousness, Repentance and Prayer definitely NOT modeled and let alone humility, it was just total control=Galatians 3:all “who has bewitched you”. God/Jesus/Holy Spirit used number of excellent teachers to expose all the error sitting under. Also, if NO Apostolic there will be no true Priests. Was reading “The Three Battlegrounds” by Francis Frangipane which was such a deep book in teaching but didn’t understand when first read years ago because we were so controlled and dumbed down and brainwashed by false, controlling; reprobate leadership=ABUSE!

    Leonard Ravenhill written works really woke me up and set me on the straight and narrow because I do tell people I was going to hell over my former VERY evil pastor and God/Jesus/Holy Spirit used Men who knew God like Derek Prince and Leonard Ravenhill (men who prayed) and brought forth “Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God” which was so lacking where grew up. HATE to even say it, but all the gifting was so murdered in my former church and Parents raised their children in that Dogma. I’m so grateful saw it, woke up and got out! I’m sorry to say people are still there worshipping pastor over God/Jesus/Holy Spirit and yet the Bible isn’t taught and people are content to tithe, attend and give their time, gifts, alms and offerings=so very sad! Not realizing their is demonic anointing and pentecostal, charismatic witchcraft in the church! I had read my Bible # of times but it didn’t come real and alive until came across Apostolic and Prophetic Men that taught TRUTH=WHOLE Bible, not just giving Bible verses to keep you sick and in bondage and coming back for more abuse and control (whew, grew up with)! Plus, you could tell these Men PRAYED=giving life and not preyed on the people=sucking out your life! What little read Apostolic Foundations and Prophetic Call by Arthur Katz (who also wrote under Art, Aaron, Arthur Aaron) he’s right about walking that straight and narrow and Good vs. Evil
    Believe timing was everything!
    P.S. Have to ask inquire if I can read books and NO means NO (meaning might get to read a chapter or two and that’s it and sons and daughters are led)!
    John 10:all.

    Can you imagine being raised in the church and NEVER getting or learning the Complete Bible let alone learning anything? Or, to be content to live without Glory and the Fire of God and the Mysteries of God and what it says in his Word let alone living True Religion which is talked about in James and Matthew 25:31-end! Or, what Jesus said we would do and to see Apostate Church not wanting to live the Bible let alone Christian? Everyone: Excellent; everyone’s comments especially with all the WORD going forth!

    Isaiah 55:11 (KJV)
    11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

    Too long to type out: John 14:all (highlight verse 12) and the Apostate church content to live without; let alone keeping us from entering in for all that God wants for his Children (we are his children)!

  28. Perfect sense Says:

    Oh I can imagine being brought up in a church just like that coz I was.
    What my bible believing church knew on paper ( ie the written word of God) I, as a child was experiencing it. But didn’t know what it was.
    I gave my heart to the Lord Jesus when I was about 5or 6 & wasxhaving very spiritual experiences both Good & evil from an early age. I didn’t know it then but I was being tormented by demons at night but my parents just told me it was my imagination. It was the Lord who taught me to use his authority to tell them to leave. Later on in life I had to teach my own mother this & it saved her life. My mother was a real Christian who meant well & truely loved Jesus but the Christianity that was taught was purely intellectual. I was telling my parents things that were gonna happen that did happen. I could tell my parents about what had happened behind the scenes of a certain situation that they were discussing because I’d been shown it in a dream. I would get punished for this even though it turned out to be true. I was speaking in toungues @ 7 yrs old & didn’t know what it was. I just knew it made me feel better.
    I endured a lot of abuse in that family. No one understood. They told me it was of the devil so I stopped. It’s taken me years to reclaim the gift Ings tat God had placed in my heart at such a young age. Not because of any church because none of them seemed to know what I was talking about. Even pastors. Even Pentecostals. But they all wanted me to “ shut up!”
    With “ Christian love” of course. I’ve been so “Christian loved” I barely survived. But God brought me through all of it. I’ve take rejection from this modern day clueless powerless church as a badge of honour. Only thing is how do you get people saved who already think they are saved!
    There’s your grand delusion!
    So I understand perfectly what bobby is talking about. God bless you

  29. William Thompson Says:

    Perfect Sense,
    Yes, it is a very sad situation when the pulpit is conditioning the sheep to feed only what they are putting out and refusing to lead them to green pastures! This is why the condition is what it is today! Too many are immature, self-centered, carnal, malnourished….need I continue?? This has angered the Father and He is about to deal with those false shepherds and seek out those who truly love Him! And yes! They have been programmed….taught…to use “walking in love” as a sort of shield to hide their true motives! They desire to have things their way and sugar-coated!

  30. Perfect sense Says:

    And now oh crooked deaf & blind apostate church I WILL NOT SHUT UP!
    The amount of power anointing & prophetic speech that the Great Lord is just about to unleash is gonna leave you SPEACHLESS & looking like powerless
    Godless phoneys that you are!
    Selling God for a profit? How Godless!

  31. Renu Says:

    Dear Diana..i humbly request prayer..i am going through something that is threatening to break me.. please would u keep me in prayer sister…i need it badly…
    God bless u dear

  32. Diana Pulliam Says:

    You are being prayed for right now! My the Lord keep you in Perfect Peace as you focus on Him only right now, Renu!
    God bless you!

  33. William Thompson Says:

    We have you in our prayers!!!

  34. Sharon webster Says:

    I have suffered from family curses for some time now. I would have moments where I would feel like I was about to “freakout” but God always created some kind of distraction that wouldn’t allow it to happen. An example is I would be looking around the room thoughts running through my head 90 miles an hour and feeling like I was about to lose contol of myself. I always felt like was about to start crying and screaming like I had had the worst nightmare possible, though i was wide awake, i would be at my job, at home, at church it didn’t matter where I was…. but God NEVER let these feelings get the BEST of me. It is hard to share this but now I know I was under a demonic stronghold.After I was delivered from this demonic spirit I have told my children and my husband and they think I have to be some more kind of crazy. There are forces in this world that are work strictly to attack GODS TRUE CHURCH BODY. These things happen to make us strongrr. The BREAK can seem never ending and too HARD but we must hang in there for when we finally BREAK we can help someone else in THEIR struggle. Thank you all for your honesty here and freedom to speak from our hearts. It is such a blessing.

  35. Diana Pulliam Says:

    Thank you for sharing that, because I am getting many who are going through similar situations as what you describe! When the Lord gave me the vision/word ‘You Will Be My Instruments of Righteousness‘, many were released and I heard chains actually falling to the ground.

    Let’s hold our brothers and sisters up all over the earth, that the Lord break those chains off and they be set free!

  36. William Thompson Says:

    You truly were under attack from the powers of hell! And they will attempt to use modern technology in the days ahead against the true heirs as well….putting in false thoughts, etc. But…our God is ever faithful and mighty to bring down strongholds! Isa. 26:3 – “Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, because he trusted in thee.” And also…Isa. 26:13-14 – “O Lord our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name. v.14- “They are dead, they shall not live; they are decreased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.” Glory and praise be to the one and only True God!! Bless His Holy Name and the glorious name of His Only Begotten Son, our Lord and Beloved, Jesus Christ!! So, Sharon, those demonic forces (and I believe even if it has to come to this point…his “human puppets”) will be destroyed by God Himself!!

  37. Sharon webster Says:

    I agree sister. Yes,it is such a blessing to be freed from the bondsge. Thank you for all you do sister !!!

  38. Christine Beadsworth Says:

    Rachel, there have been instances and seasons where the Lord has had me sit in a ministry where there is error preached and yet much seeming movement of the Spirit – a lot of mixture; people with hearts hungry for God and yet adulation and hero worship of the head minister. When I wanted to flee, the Lord put His hand upon my shoulder and stayed me and told me He was training me to recognize the counterfeit. In those days, He gave many visions and words in the worship to sustain me. Then one day, He sang over me, “Arise my Love, the grave no longer has a hold on you” and I knew He was releasing me to leave.
    Rachel, you are His and sometimes His workings are mysterious and the paths He leads us don’t make sense to our natural minds. But the time of separation comes and you are removed from the environment that has desired to defile and crush you. He sees your heart and he counsels you with His eye upon you and leads you in the paths of righteousness. Just keep hungering after Him and the Good Shepherd will lead you out.

  39. Diana Pulliam Says:

    I had to respond to your comment to Rachel, as that is exactly what I experienced at the last two corporate churches I attended for a season. One was a large mega-church, in which I served as a ‘Stephen Minister’ to walk along side some of the congregants as they went through various trials in their lives. The preaching was absolutely dead and void of the Holy Spirit, mostly self-help, positive thinking, sugar-coated messages. But the Lord was active in the lives of those who were there seeking Him… Then He led me to another church.

    That church was on-fire preaching AND worship! But the Lord eventually called me away to be alone with Him, to listen to, and worship with Him only – during this season! So, as long as we are earnestly seeking Him, He will lead us to where HE wants us.
    God bless!

  40. Bobbie Says:

    Perfect Sense: Yes, the early years of God, Jesus, Holy Spirit talking to us and NO ONE teaching or telling us or the DEEP things of God how so very sad and ongoing actually that we don’t have Holiness Men/Women to teach us let alone the Mysteries. Had a elder battle-axe intercessor tell me things later in life about experiences but NEVER taught or had at Bible Studies etc., was NEVER the older training the younger!

    Diane/William: Really UPSET at the False Church and it’s Leadership teaching PERPETUAL LIE of Revival is coming and using the Bible like Divination and or Tarrot Cards ONLY the verses they want for their gain to keep the “sheeple” (people) sick and in bondage and just to perpetuate attendance for their gain and to keep their Business going and to be kept in their monetary lifestyles! FALSE bless me club and using the Bible for such=”ENOUGH IS ENOUGH”. Worse, the people who are really the church are NOT LIVING CHRISTIAN the majority then there is Matthew 7:13-14 group! Hebrews 11:all!

  41. Dorothea Kreie Says:

    Hi, William, Hi Diane,

    The issue of correction or law vs. Grace has been on my heart and thoughts for a long time and the issue of repenting and correction has been undermined in past years more and more and gained momentum since the increase of “Hyper-grace- teaching and books.”
    Important is the note that through Jesus’ Death and resurrection He gave us the “choice” to follow His leading!!
    Holiness is not an automatic process, though He is at work in us through His Holy Spirit.
    It is a complex thing though, – we are to see our “fleshliness” and “unholiness” on one side, confessing it as sin and at the same time seeing us as “being crucified with him and being dead to the things of the world.” Balancing these two aspects is indeed not easy as the enemy is using his tactic of condemnation constantly against us!
    We were clearly led to leave Church and be alone or meet and share with a few since many years now receiving necessary confirmation during the process…!

  42. Diana Pulliam Says:

    For me, Romans chapter 6 completely settles the issue of Grace. If one prayerfully reads through this chapter, by the time they get to verse 14, “Sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.” Grace is not a license to sin, but His Grace enables us to live a crucified life – having been set free from sin, we are now slaves of righteousness (verse 18).

    Yes, the enemy is using condemnation against the saints. But thanks be to God, when we repent, He is faithful and just to forgive us of such sin. It can be immediately covered by the Blood of the Lamb. God bless you, Dorothea!

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